3) Prior to joining, what was your occupation and family situation?

-- Prior to joining The Order I was happily married. We had one daughter and my youngest daughter from my first marriage lived with us. My oldest daughter lived with her mother. My first wife and I have remained friends and still exchange an occasional letter today.

As far as my occupation - after my discharge from the Navy, I worked for 12 years as a diver in the offshore oilfields. I worked between 150 - 180 days a year making enough money to do whatever I wanted during the rest of the year. This allowed me to pursue my hobbies of shooting, martial arts and developing my survival skills. In 1980, I quit diving and moved back to Florida where I went into the construction business with my brother. I pushed crews building houses until I joined The Order in 1984

4) What factors led you to the decision to join the organization? Was there one incident in particular or a culmination of factors?

-- There were a lot of factors that led to my joining The Order; however, I would say the main factor that brought The Order into existence and me to later join, was ZOG's murder of Gordon Kahl. After that happened the atmosphere in the country was ripe for a response. I was surprised that ZOG's murder of Vicky and Sammy Weaver didn't affect movement people in the same way. After the Kahl murder, I attended several meetings in different parts of the Southeast at which all present had been subjected to either a polygraph or voice stress test. Some of the people at these meetings became future Order members. In May 1984, Andrew Barnhill returned to Florida and paid me a visit. He told me about a group in the Northwest who were doing more than talking. He ended up convincing me to fly to Washington and met Bob Mathews for the first time. Within ten minutes of arriving at Bob's House I put him across my voice stress analyzer. Four days later, I was sworn into the Order.

5) Do you have any regrets about the course of action you took or second thoughts about the methodology?

-- Sure I have regrets. I regret losing my family. I regret rotting in prison. I regret the things we should have done differently but didn't. Most of all, I regret The Order did not succeed in its goals. Though I have many regrets, I have no remorse. When I made my decision to join The Order, I did so with full knowledge of what the consequences of that decision might entail. I felt the future of my children and my Race was worth it.

Joining The Order was part of my destiny. It also allowed me the honour of belonging to an organization which let the world know that while our Race is heading for planned extinction, there are those who will sacrifice their all in order to prevent it from happening. The Order may not have succeeded in its goals, but by the sacrifices made by its members, The Order did give life to a dying racial movement.